W.E.B. Griffin & John Perkins

John Perkins is retired now, but he used to be a hit man: an "economic hit man," a term he explains in his bestselling memoir Confessions of an Economic Hit Man. We'll meet him in a few minutes, but first, bestselling military-thriller writer W.E.B. Griffin visits, as we talk about his new book The Hostage, plus why he is not bothered by the idea of the NSA listening in on our conversations.